Well she is responsible for canceling Depp based on false accusations so to make a statement against cancel culture it would be appropriate to cancel Heard if only to send a signal that one can't cancel anybody based on false accusations.
Cancel culture is generally based on sociopolitical ideology. Heard is just an awful human being.
It's the studio's right to hire and fire whoever they want. Whether or not it's wise to deprive someone of work(whether it's Depp, when he was believed by many to have roughed up Heard unprovoked. Or Heard, now that there's substantial evidence to suggest that she-at the very least-wasn't an innocent victim, and that she's been selling us all a bill of goods...
I doubt any of the general public could have any influence on who gets booked or not booked for the cast of a studio film, but yeah, just don't pay to watch her films is probably the best approach (and easy enough to do).
Cancel culture is generally based on sociopolitical ideology. Heard is just an awful human being.
As someone who knew her, I would not go that far. She definitely has a really nasty side to her, but she is not completely unfriendly. I actually owe the woman a bit for helping me get my acting career started, and she absolutely did not need to. That said, even though we weren't friends very long (lost contact just before she married Johnny), I did see hints of that selfish side. When we briefly did reconnect, it was... very weird.
Even awful human beings have some redeeming qualities to some people. I'm not saying she's Hitler, but what she did to Depp was inexcusable. He may have been an angry drunk, but instigating him while recording him in his own home is whack.
Even awful human beings have some redeeming qualities to some people. I'm not saying she's Hitler, but what she did to Depp was inexcusable. He may have been an angry drunk, but instigating him while recording him in his own home is whack.
That I can agree with. While Johnny has his faults, it is very clear that she instigated a lot, and has lied about key events.
Hey just a friendly request, can we stop using the label "cancel culture"? At least with regard to movies, there's no such entity as "cancel culture", it's all up to the studio exec who decides if a particular person is marketable or not. There's no morality, no larger movement at play, the fact is actors like Kevin Spacey or OJ Simpson or Bill Cosby are not marketable. So the moneymakers decide to distance their brand from those names. Meanwhile someone like Roman Polanski is still, for reasons I can't fathom, a public darling so he's on the studio payroll making movies and winning awards. The term "cancel culture" implies some form of coherent social movement, but in this case no. It call comes down to how (un)popular a celebrity is. This is how it has been since the first actor got up on the first stage.
All that said, I don't like Amber Heard. I won't see her movies. So if Hollywood wants my 10 bucks they should fire her. If they don't care, then pfft whatever. It's their investment.
And how would you call the Gina Carano thing if that isn't cancel culture I don't know fact is now the Twitter nuts want to cancel Henry Cavill for being previously in a relationship with Carano,or want to cancel Rosario Dawson because of some alleged court case against her Mother by someone of the LGBTQ+ community of which she was acquitted,or going after Chris Pratt just because he goes to the wrong church etc.All these people have done less offensive things than Amber Heard and still she is working just because she is in the right camp talking about double standards.
I have no idea whose names are you mentioned, I don’t keep up with popular celebrities. My point is that by using a vague and essentially toothless phrase like “cancel culture” you undercut your own argument whether valid or not. In the entertainment business call it for what it is: a celebrity who has fallen out of favor and is no longer a money-making asset. It has nothing to do with morality. Celebrities fall out of favor for becoming fat, old or just plain ugly and they get fired for the same reason a sexual offender gets fired: the public won’t pay to see their movies. What would I call it? “Economics.”
Roo, cancel culture is indeed a real thing. Whether it applies here or not is another story, but when "the left," which includes the entirety of social media, big tech, and essentially the entirety of the media industry can suppress, censor, and outright slander people with impunity just for not sharing lefty sociopolitical views, I don't know what else you could call that.
People have lost their jobs, have been harassed and even assaulted just for being conservative Americans. A lot of people.
Remember Nick Sandmann? Remember the campaign to cancel him which included some very nasty slander which was all over twitter and the mainstream news media? The news media would not shut up about his "chilling smirk," and certain members of congress were spreading outright lies about him. Obviously, it backfired in a big way, but most are not that lucky.
True, there's a political spin to everything. As an aside I would point out that historically both the left and the right have been rabid cancellists. Anyone old enough to remember how bad the right trashed and violently disrupted the lives of anyone tagged as "communist"? No one's hands are clean in this game.
But my aside is precisely the reason why I think we should avoid blanket labels, blanket blame, and even picking teams like left vs. right. That clouds the real issue of money driving the game. When society was leaning right during the postwar & cold war 40s & 50s, it was profitable to promote the outspoken right wing celebrities while burying the leftists because patriotism sold tickets. Now the tables are flipped where society seems more aligned with progressives in terms of ticket sales while right wing celebrities can't draw as big a crowd. So guess who Hollywood's gonna push at the box office?
All I'm saying is, let's call it what it is. It's not a political movement that's causing the turmoil, it's plain old cash (as always). Mark my words, the pendulum of society will swing back right sooner or later, and people will be having this same exact discussion of "cancel culture" but it'll be pointed at the right for persecuting left wing celebrities. But in every case, every decade, or every century if you get right down to it, it's just a bunch of sly profiteers making a buck by exploiting the prevailing political winds. Whatever they happen to be.
The problem in regards to those incidents is that there were, indeed, communists. There still are, and many of them have been teaching it as a viable system. I can still recall one of my little sisters friends back when they were in high school trying to convince my that communism is a great system of government, it was just that nobody had "done it right."
Not sure we can compare the anti communist hysteria of the McCarthy era to present day cancel culture. One big difference is, it's not the government that's behind it and Donald Trump was not a subversive, he was president. People had been actually fired, prevented from participating in group activities, and have been refused service just because they supported an American president. That's absolutely insane, especially when you consider that the left's position is - you're either a Democrat or a Nazi.
I'm not sure I can see what you're saying about money, but I'll consider it. Hollywood in general is very left leaning and actors are notorious bleeding heart liberals, and I don't really see how money and profit motive comes into play here. I think it's just that (((they))) are acting on their heartfelt beliefs.
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Reply by Nexus71
on January 13, 2021 at 8:35 AM
Well she is responsible for canceling Depp based on false accusations so to make a statement against cancel culture it would be appropriate to cancel Heard if only to send a signal that one can't cancel anybody based on false accusations.
Reply by tmdb82469342
on February 28, 2021 at 6:48 AM
Rumour is that she's been fired and replaced by Emilia Clarke.
Just a rumour.
Reply by MongoLloyd
on February 28, 2021 at 1:01 PM
Cancel culture is generally based on sociopolitical ideology. Heard is just an awful human being.
Reply by bratface
on February 28, 2021 at 6:27 PM
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Reply by MongoLloyd
on February 28, 2021 at 10:58 PM
I doubt any of the general public could have any influence on who gets booked or not booked for the cast of a studio film, but yeah, just don't pay to watch her films is probably the best approach (and easy enough to do).
Reply by Tsavo
on March 1, 2021 at 6:05 AM
As someone who knew her, I would not go that far. She definitely has a really nasty side to her, but she is not completely unfriendly. I actually owe the woman a bit for helping me get my acting career started, and she absolutely did not need to. That said, even though we weren't friends very long (lost contact just before she married Johnny), I did see hints of that selfish side. When we briefly did reconnect, it was... very weird.
Reply by MongoLloyd
on March 1, 2021 at 4:34 PM
Even awful human beings have some redeeming qualities to some people. I'm not saying she's Hitler, but what she did to Depp was inexcusable. He may have been an angry drunk, but instigating him while recording him in his own home is whack.
Reply by Tsavo
on March 2, 2021 at 4:44 AM
That I can agree with. While Johnny has his faults, it is very clear that she instigated a lot, and has lied about key events.
Reply by rooprect
on March 2, 2021 at 6:46 PM
Hey just a friendly request, can we stop using the label "cancel culture"? At least with regard to movies, there's no such entity as "cancel culture", it's all up to the studio exec who decides if a particular person is marketable or not. There's no morality, no larger movement at play, the fact is actors like Kevin Spacey or OJ Simpson or Bill Cosby are not marketable. So the moneymakers decide to distance their brand from those names. Meanwhile someone like Roman Polanski is still, for reasons I can't fathom, a public darling so he's on the studio payroll making movies and winning awards. The term "cancel culture" implies some form of coherent social movement, but in this case no. It call comes down to how (un)popular a celebrity is. This is how it has been since the first actor got up on the first stage.
All that said, I don't like Amber Heard. I won't see her movies. So if Hollywood wants my 10 bucks they should fire her. If they don't care, then pfft whatever. It's their investment.
Reply by Nexus71
on March 2, 2021 at 7:45 PM
And how would you call the Gina Carano thing if that isn't cancel culture I don't know fact is now the Twitter nuts want to cancel Henry Cavill for being previously in a relationship with Carano,or want to cancel Rosario Dawson because of some alleged court case against her Mother by someone of the LGBTQ+ community of which she was acquitted,or going after Chris Pratt just because he goes to the wrong church etc.All these people have done less offensive things than Amber Heard and still she is working just because she is in the right camp talking about double standards.
Reply by rooprect
on March 2, 2021 at 8:41 PM
I have no idea whose names are you mentioned, I don’t keep up with popular celebrities. My point is that by using a vague and essentially toothless phrase like “cancel culture” you undercut your own argument whether valid or not. In the entertainment business call it for what it is: a celebrity who has fallen out of favor and is no longer a money-making asset. It has nothing to do with morality. Celebrities fall out of favor for becoming fat, old or just plain ugly and they get fired for the same reason a sexual offender gets fired: the public won’t pay to see their movies. What would I call it? “Economics.”
Reply by MongoLloyd
on March 2, 2021 at 10:10 PM
Roo, cancel culture is indeed a real thing. Whether it applies here or not is another story, but when "the left," which includes the entirety of social media, big tech, and essentially the entirety of the media industry can suppress, censor, and outright slander people with impunity just for not sharing lefty sociopolitical views, I don't know what else you could call that.
People have lost their jobs, have been harassed and even assaulted just for being conservative Americans. A lot of people.
Remember Nick Sandmann? Remember the campaign to cancel him which included some very nasty slander which was all over twitter and the mainstream news media? The news media would not shut up about his "chilling smirk," and certain members of congress were spreading outright lies about him. Obviously, it backfired in a big way, but most are not that lucky.
Reply by rooprect
on March 3, 2021 at 7:43 AM
True, there's a political spin to everything. As an aside I would point out that historically both the left and the right have been rabid cancellists. Anyone old enough to remember how bad the right trashed and violently disrupted the lives of anyone tagged as "communist"? No one's hands are clean in this game.
But my aside is precisely the reason why I think we should avoid blanket labels, blanket blame, and even picking teams like left vs. right. That clouds the real issue of money driving the game. When society was leaning right during the postwar & cold war 40s & 50s, it was profitable to promote the outspoken right wing celebrities while burying the leftists because patriotism sold tickets. Now the tables are flipped where society seems more aligned with progressives in terms of ticket sales while right wing celebrities can't draw as big a crowd. So guess who Hollywood's gonna push at the box office?
All I'm saying is, let's call it what it is. It's not a political movement that's causing the turmoil, it's plain old cash (as always). Mark my words, the pendulum of society will swing back right sooner or later, and people will be having this same exact discussion of "cancel culture" but it'll be pointed at the right for persecuting left wing celebrities. But in every case, every decade, or every century if you get right down to it, it's just a bunch of sly profiteers making a buck by exploiting the prevailing political winds. Whatever they happen to be.
Reply by Tsavo
on March 3, 2021 at 8:05 PM
The problem in regards to those incidents is that there were, indeed, communists. There still are, and many of them have been teaching it as a viable system. I can still recall one of my little sisters friends back when they were in high school trying to convince my that communism is a great system of government, it was just that nobody had "done it right."
Reply by MongoLloyd
on March 3, 2021 at 8:23 PM
Not sure we can compare the anti communist hysteria of the McCarthy era to present day cancel culture. One big difference is, it's not the government that's behind it and Donald Trump was not a subversive, he was president. People had been actually fired, prevented from participating in group activities, and have been refused service just because they supported an American president. That's absolutely insane, especially when you consider that the left's position is - you're either a Democrat or a Nazi.
I'm not sure I can see what you're saying about money, but I'll consider it. Hollywood in general is very left leaning and actors are notorious bleeding heart liberals, and I don't really see how money and profit motive comes into play here. I think it's just that (((they))) are acting on their heartfelt beliefs.