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The cars driving past when he was dancing with her were much older than 70s cars, I watched that scene and thought it looked 40s or 50s

Most people don't buy a new car every year. Look at today, there are still cars from the '70s and '80s on the road, not counting the people who like to restore classic cars and return them to drivable condition. I'm sure there were plenty of cars from the '50s on the road in 1970. Sometimes you can even see a restored Model T on the road today if you know where to look.

@MrsBuckyBarnes said:

The cars driving past when he was dancing with her were much older than 70s cars, I watched that scene and thought it looked 40s or 50s

exactly. there is no way that scene took place in the 70s.

Regardless whether he went back to the 40s, 50s or 70s (which I still believe, as cars are debatable), doing what he did wouldn't have changed anything because his actions would have created an alternate timeline that wouldn't have changed the main MCU timeline (hence why their future rumored show together will be in "What if" which will deal with alternate MCU timelines (which is obvious to anyone who has ever read a Marvel "What If" comic). All it means is that Steve decided to travel back to the main MCU timeline using the GPS (which has the coordinates back) so his friends wouldn't worry about him, and he can pass on his mantle to Falcon. What Steve did has no ramifications to the current MCU timeline what-so-ever, other than he retiring from being Captain America.

@Innovator said:

Regardless whether he went back to the 40s, 50s or 70s (though I still believe as cars are debatable), doing what he did wouldn't have changed anything

I thought they made it clear, by citing several examples from Back to the Future to Hot Tub Time Machine, that no matter what they do in the past, it could NEVER change the present, they swatted away the idea of anything changing pretty effectively I thought. Time travel does not exist, and therefore every time travel story gets to invent its own rules. This movie created the rule that no matter what you do, nothing changes, however they choose to explain how that could possibly work is less important than the general principle.

@autoexec.batman said:

@Innovator said:

Regardless whether he went back to the 40s, 50s or 70s (though I still believe as cars are debatable), doing what he did wouldn't have changed anything

I thought they made it clear, by citing several examples from Back to the Future to Hot Tub Time Machine, that no matter what they do in the past, it could NEVER change the present, they swatted away the idea of anything changing pretty effectively I thought. Time travel does not exist, and therefore every time travel story gets to invent its own rules. This movie created the rule that no matter what you do, nothing changes, however they choose to explain how that could possibly work is less important than the general principle.

Yep, exactly. However, having participated in many discussions on this on other forums and youtube, it doesn't appear to be clear to many people (they're stuck on Back to the Future, Terminator, Looper, Hot Tub Time Machine time travel logic).

@autoexec.batman said:

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The cars driving past when he was dancing with her were much older than 70s cars, I watched that scene and thought it looked 40s or 50s

Most people don't buy a new car every year. Look at today, there are still cars from the '70s and '80s on the road, not counting the people who like to restore classic cars and return them to drivable condition. I'm sure there were plenty of cars from the '50s on the road in 1970. Sometimes you can even see a restored Model T on the road today if you know where to look.

This is true in real life, but not true in fiction/time travel story telling. It's the natural extension of Chekov's gun, the audience is building their understanding of the world they are watching by touchstones of fashion, cars, music etc/information fed to the audience by the storytellers. ANY film that features time travel uses era appropriate touchstones to tell the viewer what era they are in. Using the in film example of Back to the Future, do you see 30s or 40s cars driving around when Marty travels to the 50s, or do you only see 50s cars to tell the audience what era it is?

@furious_iz said:

@autoexec.batman said:

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The cars driving past when he was dancing with her were much older than 70s cars, I watched that scene and thought it looked 40s or 50s

Most people don't buy a new car every year. Look at today, there are still cars from the '70s and '80s on the road, not counting the people who like to restore classic cars and return them to drivable condition. I'm sure there were plenty of cars from the '50s on the road in 1970. Sometimes you can even see a restored Model T on the road today if you know where to look.

This is true in real life, but not true in fiction/time travel story telling. It's the natural extension of Chekov's gun, the audience is building their understanding of the world they are watching by touchstones of fashion, cars, music etc/information fed to the audience by the storytellers. ANY film that features time travel uses era appropriate touchstones to tell the viewer what era they are in. Using the in film example of Back to the Future, do you see 30s or 40s cars driving around when Marty travels to the 50s, or do you only see 50s cars to tell the audience what era it is?

Tell that to any Batman movie. Storytellers will use props to be reminiscent of an era to make you feel a certain way. Batman movies even though they are typically set in modern times, often use 50s era props to give you the feel of mobster era films. In this case, the old car could just be a prop to bring about nostalgic for their relationship in original Captain America: The First Avenger film but that doesn't mean the scene is set at that time. One thing that stood out to me while I was watching that specific scene (as I didn't really notice the car), they didn't de-age Hayley Atwell to look like she did in Captain America: The First Avenger nor the Agent Carter TV show. In 1970, they de-aged Michael Douglas and John Slattery, but not Hayley Atwell nor James D'Arcy (because they were supposed to be older in the 70s), and they didn't de-age Hayley Atwell in that end scene with Steve Rogers either, instead kept her looking the same as she did in the 70s scenes.

@Innovator said:

@furious_iz said:

@autoexec.batman said:

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The cars driving past when he was dancing with her were much older than 70s cars, I watched that scene and thought it looked 40s or 50s

Most people don't buy a new car every year. Look at today, there are still cars from the '70s and '80s on the road, not counting the people who like to restore classic cars and return them to drivable condition. I'm sure there were plenty of cars from the '50s on the road in 1970. Sometimes you can even see a restored Model T on the road today if you know where to look.

This is true in real life, but not true in fiction/time travel story telling. It's the natural extension of Chekov's gun, the audience is building their understanding of the world they are watching by touchstones of fashion, cars, music etc/information fed to the audience by the storytellers. ANY film that features time travel uses era appropriate touchstones to tell the viewer what era they are in. Using the in film example of Back to the Future, do you see 30s or 40s cars driving around when Marty travels to the 50s, or do you only see 50s cars to tell the audience what era it is?

Tell that to any Batman movie. Storytellers will use props to be reminiscent of an era to make you feel a certain way. Batman movies even though they are typically set in modern times, often use 50s era props to give you the feel of mobster era films. In this case, the old car could just be a prop to bring about nostalgic for their relationship in original Captain America: The First Avenger film but that doesn't mean the scene is set at that time. One thing that stood out to me while I was watching that specific scene (as I didn't really notice the car), they didn't de-age Hayley Atwell to look like she did in Captain America: The First Avenger nor the Agent Carter TV show. In 1970, they de-aged Michael Douglas and John Slattery, but not Hayley Atwell nor James D'Arcy (because they were supposed to be older in the 70s), and they didn't de-age Hayley Atwell in that end scene with Steve Rogers either, instead kept her looking the same as she did in the 70s scenes.

Batman movies thus far haven't used time travel, the examples i used are specific to time travel films...

@furious_iz said:

@Innovator said:

@furious_iz said:

@autoexec.batman said:

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The cars driving past when he was dancing with her were much older than 70s cars, I watched that scene and thought it looked 40s or 50s

Most people don't buy a new car every year. Look at today, there are still cars from the '70s and '80s on the road, not counting the people who like to restore classic cars and return them to drivable condition. I'm sure there were plenty of cars from the '50s on the road in 1970. Sometimes you can even see a restored Model T on the road today if you know where to look.

This is true in real life, but not true in fiction/time travel story telling. It's the natural extension of Chekov's gun, the audience is building their understanding of the world they are watching by touchstones of fashion, cars, music etc/information fed to the audience by the storytellers. ANY film that features time travel uses era appropriate touchstones to tell the viewer what era they are in. Using the in film example of Back to the Future, do you see 30s or 40s cars driving around when Marty travels to the 50s, or do you only see 50s cars to tell the audience what era it is?

Tell that to any Batman movie. Storytellers will use props to be reminiscent of an era to make you feel a certain way. Batman movies even though they are typically set in modern times, often use 50s era props to give you the feel of mobster era films. In this case, the old car could just be a prop to bring about nostalgic for their relationship in original Captain America: The First Avenger film but that doesn't mean the scene is set at that time. One thing that stood out to me while I was watching that specific scene (as I didn't really notice the car), they didn't de-age Hayley Atwell to look like she did in Captain America: The First Avenger nor the Agent Carter TV show. In 1970, they de-aged Michael Douglas and John Slattery, but not Hayley Atwell nor James D'Arcy (because they were supposed to be older in the 70s), and they didn't de-age Hayley Atwell in that end scene with Steve Rogers either, instead kept her looking the same as she did in the 70s scenes.

Batman movies thus far haven't used time travel, the examples i used are specific to time travel films...

Then explain Howard Stark's car. It appeared to be a 60s style Lincoln though it was set in the 70s, as it lacked the sharp profile associated with 70s vehicles (even as early as 1970) yet didn't have the bubble profile of 50s cars.

@Innovator said:

@furious_iz said:

@Innovator said:

@furious_iz said:

@autoexec.batman said:

[@furious_iz](#5cc4b5>

The cars driving past when he was dancing with her were much older than 70s cars, I watched that scene and thought it looked 40s or 50s

Most people don't buy a new car every year. Look at today, there are still cars from the '70s and '80s on the road, not counting the people who like to restore classic cars and return them to drivable condition. I'm sure there were plenty of cars from the '50s on the road in 1970. Sometimes you can even see a restored Model T on the road today if you know where to look.

This is true in real life, but not true in fiction/time travel story telling. It's the natural extension of Chekov's gun, the audience is building their understanding of the world they are watching by touchstones of fashion, cars, music etc/information fed to the audience by the storytellers. ANY film that features time travel uses era appropriate touchstones to tell the viewer what era they are in. Using the in film example of Back to the Future, do you see 30s or 40s cars driving around when Marty travels to the 50s, or do you only see 50s cars to tell the audience what era it is?

Tell that to any Batman movie. Storytellers will use props to be reminiscent of an era to make you feel a certain way. Batman movies even though they are typically set in modern times, often use 50s era props to give you the feel of mobster era films. In this case, the old car could just be a prop to bring about nostalgic for their relationship in original Captain America: The First Avenger film but that doesn't mean the scene is set at that time. One thing that stood out to me while I was watching that specific scene (as I didn't really notice the car), they didn't de-age Hayley Atwell to look like she did in Captain America: The First Avenger nor the Agent Carter TV show. In 1970, they de-aged Michael Douglas and John Slattery, but not Hayley Atwell nor James D'Arcy (because they were supposed to be older in the 70s), and they didn't de-age Hayley Atwell in that end scene with Steve Rogers either, instead kept her looking the same as she did in the 70s scenes.

Batman movies thus far haven't used time travel, the examples i used are specific to time travel films...

Then explain Howard Stark's car. It appeared to be a 60's style Lincoln though it was set in the 70s, as it lacked the sharp profile associated with 70s vehicles yet didn't have the bubble profile of 50s cars.

I see what you are saying, but i disagree. There was a title card dictating the era as the 1970s, so less need for touchstones to establish era. Yes Howard Stark may well have been driving an older car, but does that speak to the era which is already firmly established or does that speak to his personal preference, especially in a scene that lasted several minutes. The cap and Peggy scene was what, 1 minute? 1 minute to establish an era, so do you as a film maker include cars from an older era confusing when the timeline is taking place because people don't buy new cars every year in the real world, or do you in your 1 minute scene show era appropriate cars to tell your story? Either way we won't agree on this issue, or probably care in a month when the Russo's do an interview and clarify their intentions regarding this tiny scene in a 3 hour film