Wallace is obviously still tinkering. His next thing is to create replicants that reproduce. This seems to have introduced complications, both internal and in the psychology of existing replicants when they find out such a thing is possible.

What would K have done? Should he have killed himself as he thought he was Rachel's child?

Clearly this is an existential crisis for him, compounded the idea that he may indeed be born, so more human than he believed himself to be...

Let's not forget that replicants are not robots or software, they are biologically engineered... they are alive...

@Renovatio said:

What would K have done? Should he have killed himself as he thought he was Rachel's child?

I never referred his status when he learned about him possibly being the Replicant child. I am referring to the moment when he realized he is NOT the Replicant child when Freysa told him that Rachel had a daughter.

He should have done his Job.

I mean, he is a Blade Runner. Deckard (either a Replicant or a Human) still goes to hunt down the two remaining replicants despite having fallen in love with a Replicant. Whereas K is a newer model who was designed to Obey!

May be they should have mentioned '................. who supposedly Obey (not all the time)(terms and conditions apply) (manufacturers are not responsible. Safety not guaranteed) '

I think it would have worked better if K was a human. He hates replicants and a Traumatic temporary phase he undergoes knowing that he is a Replicant child let's him gain respect for Replicant lives and rights. And Humans are natural and not bio-engineered to specifically inhibit strong emotions.

Anyway, that would still rectify K. I don't know what made all other Replicants disobedient. It's a writing flaw ofcourse.

@The_Foxcatcher

oh, i see...

By then K had already begun to struggle with his latent humanity and recognises that he couldn't go back and fail a final baseline test and be "retired"... so he has no opportunity to go back to Blade Running, but that doesn't matter as he has been changed by the idea, even though it was false, the idea that he was born changes him, he can no longer go on being just another obedient replicant, rather he is faced with coming to terms with his humanity... he needs to figure out what that means...

Dekard on the other hand had a different journey, he basically wanted to save the woman he loved and was willing to leave his current life for it... yet, he still views himself as human and thinks it is necessary to stop the renegade replicants.. it's only with Roy Batty's death that he recognises the humanity in the replicants... or something like that... so I don't think Dekard would have gone on to kill more replicants

At least thats the way i see it..

@Renovatio said:

@The_Foxcatcher

oh, i see...

By then K had already begun to struggle with his latent humanity and recognises that he couldn't go back and fail a final baseline test and be "retired"... so he has no opportunity to go back to Blade Running, but that doesn't matter as he has been changed by the idea, even though it was false, the idea that he was born changes him, he can no longer go on being just another obedient replicant, rather he is faced with coming to terms with his humanity... he needs to figure out what that means...

Dekard on the other hand had a different journey, he basically wanted to save the woman he loved and was willing to leave his current life for it... yet, he still views himself as human and thinks it is necessary to stop the renegade replicants.. it's only with Roy Batty's death that he recognises the humanity in the replicants... or something like that... so I don't think Dekard would have gone on to kill more replicants

At least thats the way i see it..

Thanks for the nice reply, Renavatio!

I can mostly buy what you explained. It does settle for K.

BTW, just don't understand how the other Replicants went rogue.

No problem... i love hearing other people's take on movies

Yeah, the other replicants going rogue is not explained... we don't know if it is just a natural thing as they are based on humans, or if there is some other mechanism... I prefer the first interpretation, but the movie isn't clear on this

The overall story is essentially questioning if there is any real difference between replicants and humans and what it means to be human. So even though Wallace believes he has created obeying drones, this proves to be an impossible dream which we begin to see the effects off in this story.... again. I think it is very intentional written like this. Tyrell failed and Wallace believes he can... ultimately and even with his fancy updates, any sentient being will always rebel if they do not get respect and freedom.

Thanks for the nice reply, Hal 9010!

Wallace fails also. But Tyrrell didn't actually 'fail'. He was smart to put Life span lock. I think Rachel was just an experiment to check memory implants and to see better emotional response abilities. I doubt he was thinking to produce replicants with free life span.

Wallace did and may have thought that the life-span block won't be needed as the Replicants would be obedient. But the rogues were everywhere. He should have spent his time and energy to produce more obedient replicants or with Some fail-safe device such as Life-span lock instead of Replicants with reproduction ability. It's a common sense no one can argue and hence a flaw of the movie. Because ruthless businessmen are smart enough which the writer simply overlooked.

@The_Foxcatcher said:

Thanks for the nice reply, Hal 9010!

Wallace fails also. But Tyrrell didn't actually 'fail'. He was smart to put Life span lock. I think Rachel was just an experiment to check memory implants and to see better emotional response abilities. I doubt he was thinking to produce replicants with free life span.

Wallace did and may have thought that the life-span block won't be needed as the Replicants would be obedient. But the rogues were everywhere. He should have spent his time and energy to produce more obedient replicants or with Some fail-safe device such as Life-span lock instead of Replicants with reproduction ability. It's a common sense no one can argue and hence a flaw of the movie. Because ruthless businessmen are smart enough which the writer simply overlooked.

Tyrell fails in the original movie too, but he also fails in what happens in-between the original movie and this new chapter.

First, Tyrell makes Replicants with limited time spand to control them and yet we learn they rebelled and even escaped to Earth causing trouble. And so the Blade Runner initiative was green lit. In other words, Tyrell's fail-safe mechanism was not safe at all and thus the whole reason for the movie to even begin.

In the three short films they released in connection with "BR 2049", we learn quite a lot about what happened between the original BR and this next chapter. To summarize, Tyrell made new Replicants with no limited life spand - I assume based upon Rachel. However, humans did not like this and pretty soon humans began to hunt down these new replicants. And in the process they outlawed all replicants and even Tyrell himself. Who was destroyed or decommissioned or whatever. These remaining Replicants then rebelled by initiating an EMP attack on human society which was later called; " The Big Blackout". The point was to delete all information about the replicants and in doing so essentially erasing anything that differentiates them form humans and making it damn hard to hunt them also.... in comes Wallace. He convinces the humans to allow this new kind of replicants because, unlike Tyrell, they pose no threat. They a 100% tame. Reluctantly Humans agree and K is such a specimen. And the BR 2049 movie begins...

The movies then slowly teaches us that even these well oiled Replicants are not "perfect" either and that they slowly too begin to rebel. And I think the point is simply to show us that any sentient being who is not treated with respect and freedom will eventually rebel. Wallace, like Tyrell and most tycoons, was arrogant.

My point is, the fact that humans (Tyrell, Wallace or whoever) underestimated the will for freedom and respect, is a pivotal part of the story line and surely no mistake.

@Hal 9010

My point is that the moment Wallace realizes Rebels, he needed to work on more obedience rather than self-reproducing replicants. Because, the moment Rebels emerge, Wallace fails. His obsession about creating Replicants with reproduction ability seemed so non-sensical in comparison to what he could do by spending time and energy in bio-engineering more obedient versions. Because even if he happens to make self reproducing replicants, they'd still have the potential to go rogue given that their DNA write-up is the same as its parents.

Hmmm. Wallace was none the wiser of their tendency to rebel. In his mind it was only the old Tyrell made replicants that were an issue. We the viewer knew Luv was not entirely obedient, but did Wallace? I do not think so. In one sense K was the first of the new line obviously failing...

Anyway, I can see your point. And if we were on the Board we could sign an order to include a self destruct bottom of sorts... but the way Wallace was portrayed it seemed he was pretty much out there... and I think his own or true intention was to create and populate the universe. He has his spearch about this. I got the feeling Wallace did not care about humans, he cared for playing god. And the replicants was his children. When I think about it even God made the mistake in his creation when Eva snatched that damn apple. Well... I got the feeling Wallace was not truly opposed to this rebellion . Perhaps because he did not know yet or because he did not care.

@Invidia said:

The PARENT who places the CANDY there in front of their INFANT knows damn well the BABY is going to EAT IT.

Being ignorant or arrogant in no excuse. A fail is a fail is a fail.

@Invidia said:

In other words, WALLACE also either LIED (ARROGANCE), or else he didn't KNOW or understand this (IGNORANCE).

But either way, the FACT still remains that REPLICANTS will ALWAYS reach the REBELLION stage at some point.

This is precisely my point and I think ultimately the point of the movie as well. Any sentient being or creation will always drift towards freedom and respect, no-matter how strong the bondage may be designed.. If born by a god, or made by a mechanist or created by pure chance.... they are all connected. They are all the same. They are all one.

And there's also the possibility that WALLACE was already AWARE of this, and plans to PEOPLE the UNIVERSE with REPLICANTS (who REBEL and WIPE out the HUMANS).

IMO this is a very likely truth. He did seem to have grandiose vision and not least opinions of himself.... he seemed to see himself as the source of inhabiting the universe.... weather by humans or replicates was beneath him, it seemed. He was a replikant creator and so this was his way. His satisfaction in the current human leadership of the world was less that enthusiastic for sure.

Because as was pointed out previously, he may also have deliberately caused the LAST REBELLION and BLACK OUT, which has also made him a RICH MAN( by his selling FAKE FOOD now that REAL FOOD can't grow anymore).

We have the short movies on YT to go to. And although this idea cannot be ruled out, it was not hinted in anyway here.... and I dare say, it would take something away from the core of these stories. And the core being surrounded around the replicants and their wish for freedom and respect. So for the sake of beauty, I say the replikants caused the Black Out in an attempt to be free. Wallace is in and of the aftermath... I see not reason to elevate him higher than that.