This 'beautiful' exchange suddenly just pops up in this new Liam Neeson action movie 'The Ice Road' where you have a native american ruff-n-tuff female trucker riding a truck with some white insurance guy and the insurance guy offers her a sandwitch: "You want a sandwitch? You haven't eaten since we left." "You'll know when I'm hungry. It's very unatractive." "You get cranky?" "Worse. I act white."
Even though it adds absolutely nothing to the story and seems very much out of place it is very important that the scene was included so modern audiences can properly enjoy this action/thriller.
Oh well, at least they managed to also include a scene where Neeson has and uses a pistol even though it is about truckers driving icy roads. You have to keep those ice roads in their place and what better way than with a gat.
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Reply by DRDMovieMusings
on January 17, 2022 at 9:58 PM
Thanks for sharing your opinion. I think it added plenty to the story and is very much in place - you just have to understand the overarching issues of racism in a province/region like Manitoba which, I think, the movie did a fair job of depicting as concisely as possible, for those who were paying attention.
It starts when she's getting out of jail, and she tells the cop she'll keep protesting till they got off Indigenous land. He says the parking lot is owned by the municipality, and she says "I'm talking about North America." So, in one scene, it is established that she's active in rebelling against "settlers" (which is the derogatory term Indigenous people use to describe European colonialists), and willing to sacrifice for a greater good for her people.
Later, the main antagonist uses the "you people" disparaging term against her.
So, when she talks about what happens when she gets "hangry", she compares how she behaves to how she sees settlers, which is, through the eyes of centuries of oppression. If you think having to listen to this line is annoying, try to put yourself in the shoes of an Indigenous person whose culture, heritage, and people have been ravaged cruelly and inhumanely.
It wasn't his gun. Did you actually watch the movie before coming here to talk about it? And, hey, I've commented on movies I haven't seen, but I own it and concede it up front.
Reply by DRDMovieMusings
on January 18, 2022 at 10:00 AM
This is not racial equity at all. Give this false equivalence claptrap a rest. In North America, neither Black people nor Asian people have been in positions of centuries-entrenched political, socio-economic and institutionalized power, and used that power to oppress white people over the course of generations. FFS.
And, trust that you'll be wasting your time replying to foist any attempt to justify this BS.
Reply by DRDMovieMusings
on January 18, 2022 at 3:26 PM
If only you'd stopped right there. You were doing so well...until you kept going.
I never said that. I merely pointed out that it is understandable that an Indigenous person would have a negative view of a white person. That said, her character only ever gave that attitude to bad people; she got along just fine with Neeson's character and his brother. She wasn't lashing out blindly at any and all white people, just the assholes.
Good for you.
...your opinion. Please do, but recognize it's only that. Nothing more.
They did things their way in their time. In this time, people do things in the way they're doing them now. Criticizing how people fight oppression is a distraction the oppressor loves to see us engage.
After a century of Tinseltown's incessant white saviours, white heroes, little white lies, and the bad guys dressed in black, critical race theory tenets are welcome balance to the equation. Boo hoo for you.
As if white supremacists need a reason, or a push, to be more militant, outspoken, and violent. When folks in Wilmington or Tulsa were minding their own business, taking care of their business and themselves, who do you blame for the white uprisings? I'll tell you where I lay the blame - squarely on the white supremacists.
Whenever there is social progress, white supremacists backlash. One need look no further than to the graphs that clearly illustrate the relationship between documented progress and the installation of Confederate monuments. Beyond that one metric, countless other examples abound. No way in hell I'll lay blame for backlash on the oppressed. The oppressor loves that BS.
Nice chatting with you.
Reply by DRDMovieMusings
on January 18, 2022 at 3:32 PM
They built residential schools and broken treaties with themselves before Europeans showed up? They lived out of balance on this land and drove the largest herd of land mammals on earth to the brink of extinction? They polluted the rivers, cut down all the trees, created dust bowls that destroyed their own entire way of life beneath them?
Reply by DRDMovieMusings
on January 18, 2022 at 3:52 PM
Fair enough.
War is not novel to any group or culture. Human beings have been warring as long as there has been human beings. Again, that's not what we're talking about here. False equivalence.
"Over a period of 1,000 years, it took so long they didn't realize they were doing it." That's a smidge different than shooting bison from a train for sport, and piling skulls into small mountains to pose for pictures. At least, to me anyway. And they did it all the while still being able to drink the water right out of the river.
I actually appreciate this sentiment here. FWIW.
Reply by DRDMovieMusings
on January 18, 2022 at 3:54 PM
Chicanery! Your flair for words made me laugh there, Mech - thanks for that!
Reply by DRDMovieMusings
on January 18, 2022 at 10:40 PM
Jane, you ignorant slut.
Reply by DRDMovieMusings
on January 18, 2022 at 10:51 PM
There was a time when white men could kill a black man, and be acquitted. Shucks, they'd take pictures and sell as postcards to promote tourism to the region. Those were times when Confederate statues were being installed. It's happening a lot less nowadays. Times are changing. Back then, movies depicted certain stereotypes of the day and those ideas permeated society. Today's movies reflect a time in which not only are Confederate statues being taken down, but the good ol' boys who killed Ahmaud Abery were convicted, and cop who killed George Floyd was convicted (with more to come). Those are "documented facts" too, mate. I'm of the firm opinion that changes in life are being reflected in art, and I think these are good changes to be applauded. You want to rain on the progress we have achieved, well, I guess everyone is entitled to see it how they see it. But, as determined as you are to share your opinion, others will do the same right back atcha.
Nice chatting with you.
Reply by DRDMovieMusings
on January 19, 2022 at 12:50 AM
Dude, that was a joke. It's a classic line from Saturday Night Live with Dan Aykroyd and Jane Curtin. You were supposed to interpret it as your having made a point that I couldn't contend with rationally, so I resorted to misogynistic ad hominem. I thought that this was obvious - I mean, your name is not Jane, you're not a woman, this is a movie and TV blog and that particular skit became a part of satire lore.
I didn't know you're such a snowflake, but, if you can't take it, you shouldn't be so quick to dish it.
Sheesh.
Reply by Fergoose
on January 19, 2022 at 6:38 AM
Is this the same Liam Neeson who said he wandered the streets indiscriminately looking for any passing "black barsteward" to kill?
You'd imagine if the film industry was as anti-white European as some delicate souls claim repeatedly on a daily basis, that a man like that might struggle to get work.
Reply by DRDMovieMusings
on January 19, 2022 at 10:22 AM
So, when others are "a little emo" you dismiss them; but when you are, well, that's when we must listen to what's "in your own right"?
I see how you work. Here's an idea - instead of being so quick to defend your emotions while making sports of the emotions of others, you could give others the same defense you're so keen to lavish on yourself. This is a learning moment, if you choose to accept it.
And, yes, bring diversity (if that's what you want to call what you were doing) - just be as accommodating of others when they do same.
Reply by DRDMovieMusings
on January 19, 2022 at 10:23 AM
Right? FFS.
Reply by aholejones
on January 19, 2022 at 10:55 AM
It just shows the recurring hypocrisy and double standards we see in mainstream movies like this. It's the same Liam Neeson who has been very vocal about his anti-gun sentiment despite most of post Schindler's List movie career having been built on movies that more or less glorify gun violence. This is the same Ryan Reynolds producing a movie preaching us about patriarchy, white privilege and toxic masculinity whose entire career has been pretty built on said "vices". This is the same Mark Ruffalo preaching to us about the woes of capitalism when his entire luxurious lifestyle is built on said capitalism. etc. etc. etc.
"Thanks for sharing your opinion. I think it added plenty to the story and is very much in place - you just have to understand the overarching issues of racism in a province/region like Manitoba which, I think, the movie did a fair job of depicting as concisely as possible, for those who were paying attention.
It starts when she's getting out of jail, and she tells the cop she'll keep protesting till they got off Indigenous land. He says the parking lot is owned by the municipality, and she says "I'm talking about North America." So, in one scene, it is established that she's active in rebelling against "settlers" (which is the derogatory term Indigenous people use to describe European colonialists), and willing to sacrifice for a greater good for her people.
Later, the main antagonist uses the "you people" disparaging term against her.
So, when she talks about what happens when she gets "hangry", she compares how she behaves to how she sees settlers, which is, through the eyes of centuries of oppression. If you think having to listen to this line is annoying, try to put yourself in the shoes of an Indigenous person whose culture, heritage, and people have been ravaged cruelly and inhumanely."
Honestly that scene felt forced, lazy and shoed in just to appease a certain mindset of today. Let's be real, and it's been a while since I watched this movie, but they suddenly just cut to the driver's cabin to show the company hitman having his lunch and offering his sandwitch to his co-driver so they could include her message. The whole scene lasted probably less than a minute. If you think it added plenty to the story I'm not going to argue with you.
"It wasn't his gun. Did you actually watch the movie before coming here to talk about it? And, hey, I've commented on movies I haven't seen, but I own it and concede it up front."
That comment was making light of the fact that they felt it necessary to include the mandatory Liam Neeson pistol scene in a movie about ice road trucking. Not sure what relevance you think it has that the gun wasn't originally his. It would feel out of place and silly even if Scotty beamed it to his hand.
Reply by DRDMovieMusings
on January 19, 2022 at 12:00 PM
"Mandatory Neeson pistol scene"? C'mon, Neeson was playing a character without those "unique set of skills" we saw in Taken franchise and other of his action movies.
The relevance of it bit being his gun is, this character was NOT an action hero. I was kinda wishing he would have been a better fighter and kill that asshole sooner... but he struggled to dispatch him because Neeson was not playing to typical Neeson type. I think the movie did a great job here of not invoking typical Neeson bad ass, and I give Neeson credit for making his I abilities believable.
Reply by DRDMovieMusings
on January 19, 2022 at 2:19 PM
And, that being your take, you are you, and will only as get as much empathy as you give. Which is not much, so, bollucks to "in your own right".