Curious on what y’all think. Did Oliver plan his actions in advance, or was he reactive/opportunistic?
He definitely planned to make friends with Felix and wiggle himself into that circle of people, but I don’t think he planned to get to Saltburn or to take over it from the start. If he had not been invited to Saltburn and Felix had not found out about Oliver’s lies, then I feel like all he would’ve done would be to get close to the family in order to be in that social circle to make upward moves in his life. But once he realized he had to kill Felix, I think that’s when he decided to go all the way and take out the family. He obviously relied on a bit of luck with Farleigh being invited back to the party in order to get him disowned again for good and with Sir James killing himself eventually.
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Antwort von Ask Me Anything
am 8. Februar 2024 um 21:49
Saw this the other day. Although I didn't hate it, a lot of the decisions of characters don't make sense.
The movie heavily implies Oliver had a thing for Felix, but then his pursuit of Felix turns into murder and possession of his family estate because... reasons. I guess Felix wouldn't fuck him so he instead possessed him by taking over everything he had? I guess? It's a pretty looking movie but it's kinda dumb.
Antwort von Jamiesmith2008
am 9. Februar 2024 um 23:09
Hi. I really enjoyed this movie. For me, it’s tied for first with Blue is the Warmest Color.
Using the scene with Oliver’s parents as additional context, I believe Oliver was never satisfied with his life from an early age. He had a deep desire to gain entrance into an elite social circle and was very envious of people such as Felix and his family.
He did love Felix after noticing him at school. Although, he was not really pursuing Felix. Felix was a person who had it all in Oliver’s mind: charisma, power over peers due to that charisma, and high status due to his family. This is what Oliver most wants, not necessarily to be with Felix romantically. He only knew him a few months, so his “love” is more infatuation.
Once Felix realizes Oliver lied about his family to be his friend, Oliver decides he has to kill Felix before anyone else finds out he is using this family to reach his personal goals. He knows he has to discredit Farleigh and begins to see that Venetia has come to understand his true intentions during that bathtub scene, so he decides to kill her before she turns her mother against him. As long as he maintains good standing with Elspeth, then he at worst gets a fair amount of money from Sir James to leave, and at best gets to come back to Saltburn if and when Sir James is not in the picture.
I hope this helps. Thanks for your comment :)
Antwort von Ask Me Anything
am 10. Februar 2024 um 11:57
Well alright that makes sense.
My question is, assuming Felix didn't find out he was lying, what exactly was Oliver's first plan? He gets in with these rich people, but Felix seems to be hetero (granted I'm bad at picking up gay subtext). And Felix seemed to swap out friends like some people swap out phones. Killing these people and not getting caught, and then successfully convincing the mom to sign over her assets to him and then she dies from a sudden illness seems extremely unlikely unless the cops are just the flooded with morons.
Didn't hate the movie, but the plot was just a tad farfetched to me. But ultimately I think the biggest problem is I simply didn't like any of these people. If Oliver or his family had actually been negatively affected in some way by those people I'd better understand it. But his motivation is essentially wanted to be one of the awful rich people he clearly hates.
Antwort von Jamiesmith2008
am 10. Februar 2024 um 12:33
His first plan was to get into Felix’s circle at school and gain popularity and ultimately connections. His plan was revised once he was invited to Saltburn to focus on Felix’s family especially once he noticed how they take care of those they care about. Then revised again upon being caught lying to be the last man standing. I think he was more opportunistic than planned out.
I agree there’s no clear indication Felix was bisexual or anything, which is partly why I don’t think Oliver was genuinely pursing a relationship there. I’m also not entirely sure Oliver can feel true love. I also agree that Elspeth suddenly getting “sick” and dying would certainly arouse suspicion. I figure either we just don’t see that play out with police looking into it as the movie ends right after her funeral, or we can assume Oliver now has substantial money and power with that money that could afford him options out of any legal matters. Is it far fetched that he would get Elspeth to sign everything over to him? Probably so. Unless these rich people are all such terrible people that she truly didn’t have any other true friends or anything to leave it to.
At its core, the movie is about how no one is truly “good”. All of these characters play nice sometimes and maybe do some good deeds, but they are ultimately selfish. They do toss friends away. They do help their friends, while simultaneously talking poorly of them as with poor dear Pamela. I would, therefore, make the argument that the fact that you didn’t like any of them is the point lol.