Yeah. Too bad that the film's narrative is subtly anti-woman.

I was 15 years old when I saw this in the cinema. It made a deep impact. If you know what I mean.....

@jomarthecat said:

I was 15 years old when I saw this in the cinema. It made a deep impact. If you know what I mean.....

Yes, I was 19 when it came out, I know what you mean😏

I'm rewatching this now and I can't believe they terminated their experiment just because the subject was having nightmares. WTF

But I have to ask, if you knew what she was, would you let her ride your johnson?

There needs to be a Species vs Alien movie. Sil vs Xenomorph.

SPOILER AHEAD.

@mechajutaro said:

@Satch_the_man said:

Yeah. Too bad that the film's narrative is subtly anti-woman.

Seems like a powerfully pro-woman movie to me. Gals are just as capable of being iconic screen villains as any man.

Years back, I read this critic say that the train scenes wherein the villain metamorphoses into her adult form take their cues from a woman's menstrual cycle, in structure, I believe. That is to say, the film renders women's periods into symbolic fodder for horror. But hey, you are entitled to your opinion and I won't argue with that.

@znexyish said:

There needs to be a Species vs Alien movie. Sil vs Xenomorph.

Seems to me Alien Resurrection already treated Species as a sort of spin-off to the franchise and incorporated elements of that story. As did Ridley Scott in Prometheus.

@NeoLosman said:

@CelluloidFan said:

SPOILER AHEAD.

@mechajutaro said:

@Satch_the_man said:

Yeah. Too bad that the film's narrative is subtly anti-woman.

Seems like a powerfully pro-woman movie to me. Gals are just as capable of being iconic screen villains as any man.

Years back, I read this critic say that the train scenes wherein the villain metamorphoses into her adult form take their cues from a woman's menstrual cycle, in structure, I believe. That is to say, the film renders women's periods into symbolic fodder for horror. But hey, you are entitled to your opinion and I won't argue with that.

That's the sort of hair-brained analysis that's made film criticism a side-show unto itself

I'll suggest this, Losman: Why don't you do a Google search on this woman critic and just take this issue up with her ?

agreed

@NeoLosman said:

I've no more idea who this critic is than you are. Her analysis sounds shoddy and vapid enough though to potentially be the work of bell hooks

The whole femme fatale thing might a puerile fantasy, the main purpose of which is to give one of the world's most beautiful women a large amount of screen time naked, but the cultural and political ideas that lead to these sorts of tropes about women are real enough.

I say this without knowing who bell hooks was, nor watching the video you posted, nor indeed spending any time at all thinking about these things with regard to this particular movie. Why? Because it's a nearly 30 years old movie, from a different time, and the idea of putting NH in a movie that belongs in a genre the target demographic of which is teenaged boys, is so obvious it doesn't need discussion.

As for the train dream stuff. That is all H. R. Giger, and was reportedly intended to be longer and more elaborate. As talented as he was, he was also basically nuts. So any 'analysis' of that material is only going to tell us something about H. R. Giger.

In the US an R rating doesn't mean teens can't see the movie, only that they must be accompanied by an adult.

In any event the rental market was probably around its peak in the mid 90s. While Species is a cut above the usual straight to video offerings of the day, and did get a proper theatrical release, in content and tone it is absolutely consistent with what was widely on shelves at the time. The combination of sex and horror was a marketing no brainer.

As for the demographic, I am not suggesting that only teenaged boys saw this movie any more than I would suggest that only women watched Merchant Ivory productions. But understanding who a movie might appeal to would be the most important question one would ask in pre production.

In a nutshell I am saying that some of these things that people might want to talk about are commercial rather than artistic decisions. By all means digress into discussion about sociology. But let's not ignore the commercial decision that knows a lot of customers will be renting it and making frequent use of freeze frame.

We could also talk about why Kes was replaced by Seven of Nine in Star Trek: Voyager. But I doubt we need a sociologist to help us with the answer.

@NeoLosman said:

@CelluloidFan said:

@NeoLosman said:

@CelluloidFan said:

SPOILER AHEAD.

@mechajutaro said:

@Satch_the_man said:

Yeah. Too bad that the film's narrative is subtly anti-woman.

Seems like a powerfully pro-woman movie to me. Gals are just as capable of being iconic screen villains as any man.

Years back, I read this critic say that the train scenes wherein the villain metamorphoses into her adult form take their cues from a woman's menstrual cycle, in structure, I believe. That is to say, the film renders women's periods into symbolic fodder for horror. But hey, you are entitled to your opinion and I won't argue with that.

That's the sort of hair-brained analysis that's made film criticism a side-show unto itself

I'll suggest this, Losman: Why don't you do a Google search on this woman critic and just take this issue up with her ?

I've no more idea who this critic is than you are. Her analysis sounds shoddy and vapid enough though to potentially be the work of bell hooks

You took the time and effort to crudely link my mention of this critic's film theory or whathaveyou to the thinking of bell hooks(RIP)? This is baiting from my perspective, and it will not be engaged at length. I believe the threat that bell hooks' ideas and works must represent to you is very formidable. You should deal with your fears on your own time, and not take them up with other users on the Movies board, IMO.

As for dear Ms. hooks' publicized debacle on the Charlie Rose show, as I've stated before, anyone, anyone could have a bad day in public, including her.

As hooks herself documented, patriarchal males in powerful positions have been known for baiting her in public forums where they could and did deliberately misconstrue her ideas, in order to possibly defame her and potentially damage those ideas. LOL.

Reminder, all:

TOPIC: Natasha was so sexy here.

OP: Especially as a brunette.

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