Debate That '90s Show

Item: Season 2

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Extra Details: Netflix originally ordered a 16-episode second season, which will be released as Parts 2 and 3. All 16 episodes are listed in Season 2 and an episode group has been created for the parts: https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/135959-that-90s-show/episode_group/664035b6a6042c1b15ff1217

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I wonder, why how the network orders something matters more than how it is broadcasted? Per the bible, "Our main goal is to reproduce the seasons exactly as they first aired on the original network." It doesn't say "exactly as they ordered".

There's no mention of seasons on Netflix's page for the show, only Parts 1-3. In other shows (e.g. https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/96677-lupin/season/1), the "parts" are merged into the same season, so why this one is different?

@shotfirer said:

I wonder, why how the network orders something matters more than how it is broadcasted? Per the bible, "Our main goal is to reproduce the seasons exactly as they first aired on the original network." It doesn't say "exactly as they ordered".

Based on how Chilling Adventures of Sabrina and Money Heist are organized, parts are not necessarily seasons.

There's no mention of seasons on Netflix's page for the show, only Parts 1-3. In other shows (e.g. https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/96677-lupin/season/1), the "parts" are merged into the same season, so why this one is different?

This one is not different. If you read my report carefully enough, you'll notice that it says that Netflix ordered a 16-episode second season, which will be released as Parts 2 and 3. These two parts are merged into the same season. The first season was recategorized as Part 1 when Netflix decided to release the second season as Parts 2 and 3.

@raze464 said: This one is not different. If you read my report carefully enough, you'll notice that it says that Netflix ordered a 16-episode second season, which will be released as Parts 2 and 3. These two parts are merged into the same season. The first season was recategorized as Part 1 when Netflix decided to release the second season as Parts 2 and 3.

I read your report carefully enough to see the contradiction. Netflix might have ordered 16 episodes as a season 2. However, they decided to air them separately. Per your own rules, how episodes air is more important than how they were ordered or produced. All 3 parts are released separately, in the exact same way, and each starts with episode 1. There's only one episode numbered 9 in the show on Netflix. You have two episodes numbered 9. Again, per your own rules, your listings should correspond to the show's website. "We try to mirror how the episodes were first released on the original network's website." So how come that episode 1 become episode 9? How is that mirroring?

Every TV show is "aired" in chunks of episodes. Calling each chunk "part" or "season", or "series" or whatever doesn't change the fact, that if the episode has been aired as Episode 1 it cannot become Episode 9. When the show has a break after episode 8 and returns with episode 9 - you continue the previous season, simply because you can't start the season with episode 9. But if it returns with episode 1 - it is a new one, simply because you can't have episode 1 in the middle of a season. This is, of course, if your goal is to "mirror how the episodes were first released on the original network's website", which means at least using the same episode numbers and the same season/part/series separation. I'm not talking about odd-numbered episodes here, just about the regular stuff.

Since your system does not support using "parts" instead of "seasons" (which is again, just a different term for a chunk of episodes, released within a specified time window), having them as 3 separate seasons, with the names "Part 1", "Part 2" and "Part 3" makes much more sense than arbitrarily merging stuff because of what some hearsay article says. Even if it was an official announcement (which it is not), it would only tell us how they were ordering it, not how they actually airing it.

By the way, even Netflix's system does not fully support "parts". In the metadata, they are still called "seasons", so they actually just have seasons, named "Part x". So doing the same would be part of "mirroring".

@shotfirer said:

@raze464 said: This one is not different. If you read my report carefully enough, you'll notice that it says that Netflix ordered a 16-episode second season, which will be released as Parts 2 and 3. These two parts are merged into the same season. The first season was recategorized as Part 1 when Netflix decided to release the second season as Parts 2 and 3.

I read your report carefully enough to see the contradiction. Netflix might have ordered 16 episodes as a season 2. However, they decided to air them separately. Per your own rules, how episodes air is more important than how they were ordered or produced. All 3 parts are released separately, in the exact same way, and each starts with episode 1. There's only one episode numbered 9 in the show on Netflix. You have two episodes numbered 9. Again, per your own rules, your listings should correspond to the show's website. "We try to mirror how the episodes were first released on the original network's website." So how come that episode 1 become episode 9? How is that mirroring?

Every TV show is "aired" in chunks of episodes. Calling each chunk "part" or "season" or whatever (potayto-potahto) doesn't change the fact, that if the episode has been aired as Episode 1 it cannot become Episode 9. When the show has a break after episode 8 and returns with episode 9 - you continue the previous season, simply because you can't start the season with episode 9. But if it returns with episode 1 - it is a new one, simply because you can't have episode 1 in the middle of a season. This is, of course, if your goal is to "mirror how the episodes were first released on the original network's website", which means using the same episode numbers. I'm not talking about odd-numbered episodes here, just about the regular stuff.

Since your system does not support using "parts" instead of "seasons" (which is again, just a different term for a chunk of episodes, released within a specified time window), having them as 3 separate seasons, with the names "Part 1", "Part 2" and "Part 3" makes much more sense than arbitrarily merging stuff because of what some hearsay article says. Even if it was an official announcement (which it is not), it would only tell us how they were ordering it, not how they actually airing it.

By the way, even Netflix's system does not fully support "parts". In the metadata, they are still called "seasons", so they actually just have seasons, named "Part x". So doing the same would be part of "mirroring".

I agree with you

Netflix shows them as Parts 1-3 but the Show page does say "3 Seasons". So I guess only IMDB has this correct right now.

@happy2play said:

Netflix shows them as Parts 1-3 but the Show page does say "3 Seasons". So I guess only IMDB has this correct right now.

It says "3 parts" when you are subscribed and logged in. But honestly, "season" or "part" is a potayto-potahto situation. Unless the next "part" continues the episode numeration of the previous one, it makes zero sense to merge them. Each of the 3 "parts" on Netflix starts with episode 1, and All Apologies is episode 1, not episode 9.

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