Well, I read it on Twitter first, and thought I'd leave the posting to someone else. When I saw your post, I didn't want to reply there and go further off-topic on Knixon's thread, so I decided to create a post here.
Russel T. Davis, of course, has been a showrunner for the series before, so in that sense he is not a 'new' showrunner. In fact he is the one who made "Doctor Who" popular again with Christopher Eccleston (The Ninth Doctor) and David Tennant (The Tenth Doctor).
With the 60th anniversary right around the corner in 2023, BBC hopes that he'll be ready to take over and work his magic again to revitalize the series.
Russel T. Davis is a hope for Doctor Who. But the only way to safe the show and make it popular again is to declare the whole Chibnall era as not canon and to start again with the regeneration of the 12th doctor and a new 13th doctor created by Davis. Remember, according to Chibnall the doctor was always female and all the other doctors including David Tennant and Matt Smith never existed. You can't go on with such a storyline.
Russel T. Davis is a hope for Doctor Who. But the only way to safe the show and make it popular again is to declare the whole Chibnall era as not canon and to start again with the regeneration of the 12th doctor and a new 13th doctor created by Davis. Remember, according to Chibnall the doctor was always female and all the other doctors including David Tennant and Matt Smith never existed. You can't go on with such a storyline.
What? When was that established? I don't remember anyone ever saying that. I only remember it was only established there had been a couple of female doctors previously. One of which was already long hinted at during Moffet's run with Capaldi in "World Enough and Time", when he mentioned he may have been female before. All that was really stated during Chibnall's era was that the ability to regenerate came from The Doctor/aka the timeless child, and that Ruth was a Doctor before William Hartnell and there were probably more as well, which was again already hinted at during the Old Who episode "The Brain of Morbius" Events of previous Doctor episodes have even been mentioned in last season, and even River Song got a mention in the lastest episode. Plus, Teagan and Ace are going to reappear soon.
Great, we get to watch the Doctor make out with even more companions! Kissy kissy kissy. 😚
She friendzoned Yaz, but there will be a spark between the 14th Doctor and...
If Davies had already been in charge, the Doctor and Yaz would have totally made out, but the Doctor would have been interrupted before she could say "I love you".
All that was really stated during Chibnall's era was that the ability to regenerate came from The Doctor/aka the timeless child, and that Ruth was a Doctor before William Hartnell and there were probably more as well, which was again already hinted at during the Old Who episode "The Brain of Morbius"
You left out the major retcon that stated the Gallifreyan Time Lord was neither a Time Lord or even Gallifreyan, but a little alien girl instead, who was murdered repeatedly by a Gallifreyan scientist to steal the secrets of her unlimited regenerative abilities.
This despite the fact that The Doctor always had a limited set of regenerations, and the 11th Doctor only survived an impending definitive death only because the Time Lords intervened and granted him a new cycle
All that was really stated during Chibnall's era was that the ability to regenerate came from The Doctor/aka the timeless child, and that Ruth was a Doctor before William Hartnell and there were probably more as well, which was again already hinted at during the Old Who episode "The Brain of Morbius"
You left out the major retcon that stated the Gallifreyan Time Lord was neither a Time Lord or even Gallifreyan, but a little alien girl instead, who was murdered repeatedly by a Gallifreyan scientist to steal the secrets of her unlimited regenerative abilities.
This despite the fact that The Doctor always had a limited set of regenerations, and the 11th Doctor only survived an impending definitive death only because the Time Lords intervened and granted him a new cycle
I didn't leave that out, as I did call her the timeless child and I mentioned the ability to regenerate came from her. Also it's always been cannon that limited regeneration was something imposed on the Timelords by Rassilon, who was the only one allowed to have unlimited regenerations. Anyone trying to unlock that limit was turned to stone by Rassilon (as per "The Five Doctors" episode). It was never a physical limit on the regeneration ability itself. So having the ability originally come from the Doctor doesn't really change that as Rassilon could have easily imposed that limit on him/her too.
Hell Rassilon unlocked unlimited regenerations on the Timelords during the Timelord/Dalek War so would have kept going ad nauseum forever with the Daleks continuously cloning themselves and the Timelords forever regenerating until the War Doctor intervened.
It was never a physical limit on the regeneration ability itself. So having the ability originally come from the Doctor doesn't really change that as Rassilon could have easily imposed that limit on him/her too.
It was never a physical limit on the regeneration ability itself. So having the ability originally come from the Doctor doesn't really change that as Rassilon could have easily imposed that limit on him/her too.
Convenient conjecture is convenient
It's not conjecture. I've watched those episodes (I've actually seen every episode of Doctor Who that wan't completely burned in the BBC fire). You can physically see Rassilon regenerate infinitely during "The Five Doctors". Plus the Timelords having unlimited regenerations during the Time War were talked about (by Eccelson or Tennant I can't remember exactly to Rose). All Chibnall really did was reintroduce previous story points that were largely ignored as inconsistencies by the fandom and make them relevant again (like the Doctor shown having had several regenerations before Hartnell in "The Brain of Morbius").
Oh, well then by all means point me, and while you're at it every fan of Doctor Who, to this serial where Rassilon imposes a limit on The Doctor's regeneration cycle as you NON-conjectured, because that totally happened on screen for realsies.
I've watched those episodes (I've actually seen every episode of Doctor Who that wan't completely burned in the BBC fire).
BBC fire, eh? Can the Chibnall era be put into that? Asking for a friend.
All Chibnall really did was reintroduce previous story points that were largely ignored as inconsistencies by the fandom and make them relevant again (like the Doctor shown having had several regenerations before Hartnell in "The Brain of Morbius").
More like inconsistencies subsequent showrunners never did anything with, while fandom, as far as I can tell, loved to endlessly speculate on internet fora about pre-Hartnell incarnations
Oh, well then by all means point me, and while you're at it every fan of Doctor Who, to this serial where Rassilon imposes a limit on The Doctor's regeneration cycle as you NON-conjectured, because that totally happened on screen for realsies.
I've said it several times, "The Five Doctors". They said that unlike the other Time Lords, Rassilon didn't have a limit to his regenerations. The Time Lord President Barusa plotted to raid Rassilon's tomb where he lay in infinite regeneration to get the key to immortality from him, but Rassilon (played by Richard Matthews) instead turned him into stone. He would have done the same to the Doctor, but the Doctor smartly declined it. Then there was the speech the Doctor gave about how the Time War was causing endless havok as the Daleks and Time Lords kept infinitely killing each other over and over again. I wondered myself how that was possible, until I found out later that the Time Lords had brought Rassilon (Timothy Dalton) back from his sleep in his Tomb to aid in the war. Then I was like...oh yeah, Rassilon could grant infinite regenerations.
@VobIdem said:
More like inconsistencies subsequent showrunners never did anything with, while fandom, as far as I can tell, loved to endlessly speculate on internet fora about pre-Hartnell incarnations
You can literally see 8 of the pre-Hartnell incarnations in "The Brain of Morbius". So much for limit.
Reply by bratface
on September 25, 2021 at 12:19 AM
Not really new though! I see you read my post in the B5 thread.
Reply by wonder2wonder
on September 25, 2021 at 1:52 AM
Well, I read it on Twitter first, and thought I'd leave the posting to someone else. When I saw your post, I didn't want to reply there and go further off-topic on Knixon's thread, so I decided to create a post here.
Russel T. Davis, of course, has been a showrunner for the series before, so in that sense he is not a 'new' showrunner. In fact he is the one who made "Doctor Who" popular again with Christopher Eccleston (The Ninth Doctor) and David Tennant (The Tenth Doctor).
With the 60th anniversary right around the corner in 2023, BBC hopes that he'll be ready to take over and work his magic again to revitalize the series.
Reply by Innovator
on October 13, 2021 at 2:07 AM
Great, we get to watch the Doctor make out with even more companions! Kissy kissy kissy. 😚
Reply by wonder2wonder
on April 18, 2022 at 10:09 AM
She friendzoned Yaz, but there will be a spark
between the 14th Doctor and...
Reply by coolstuff71
on May 5, 2022 at 8:52 AM
Russel T. Davis is a hope for Doctor Who. But the only way to safe the show and make it popular again is to declare the whole Chibnall era as not canon and to start again with the regeneration of the 12th doctor and a new 13th doctor created by Davis. Remember, according to Chibnall the doctor was always female and all the other doctors including David Tennant and Matt Smith never existed. You can't go on with such a storyline.
Reply by Innovator
on May 5, 2022 at 10:52 AM
What? When was that established? I don't remember anyone ever saying that. I only remember it was only established there had been a couple of female doctors previously. One of which was already long hinted at during Moffet's run with Capaldi in "World Enough and Time", when he mentioned he may have been female before. All that was really stated during Chibnall's era was that the ability to regenerate came from The Doctor/aka the timeless child, and that Ruth was a Doctor before William Hartnell and there were probably more as well, which was again already hinted at during the Old Who episode "The Brain of Morbius" Events of previous Doctor episodes have even been mentioned in last season, and even River Song got a mention in the lastest episode. Plus, Teagan and Ace are going to reappear soon.
Reply by Innovator
on May 5, 2022 at 5:14 PM
If Davies had already been in charge, the Doctor and Yaz would have totally made out, but the Doctor would have been interrupted before she could say "I love you".
Reply by VobIdem
on May 6, 2022 at 4:21 AM
You left out the major retcon that stated the Gallifreyan Time Lord was neither a Time Lord or even Gallifreyan, but a little alien girl instead, who was murdered repeatedly by a Gallifreyan scientist to steal the secrets of her unlimited regenerative abilities.
This despite the fact that The Doctor always had a limited set of regenerations, and the 11th Doctor only survived an impending definitive death only because the Time Lords intervened and granted him a new cycle
Reply by Innovator
on May 6, 2022 at 7:30 AM
I didn't leave that out, as I did call her the timeless child and I mentioned the ability to regenerate came from her. Also it's always been cannon that limited regeneration was something imposed on the Timelords by Rassilon, who was the only one allowed to have unlimited regenerations. Anyone trying to unlock that limit was turned to stone by Rassilon (as per "The Five Doctors" episode). It was never a physical limit on the regeneration ability itself. So having the ability originally come from the Doctor doesn't really change that as Rassilon could have easily imposed that limit on him/her too.
Hell Rassilon unlocked unlimited regenerations on the Timelords during the Timelord/Dalek War so would have kept going ad nauseum forever with the Daleks continuously cloning themselves and the Timelords forever regenerating until the War Doctor intervened.
Reply by VobIdem
on May 6, 2022 at 7:51 AM
Convenient conjecture is convenient
Reply by Innovator
on May 6, 2022 at 7:55 AM
It's not conjecture. I've watched those episodes (I've actually seen every episode of Doctor Who that wan't completely burned in the BBC fire). You can physically see Rassilon regenerate infinitely during "The Five Doctors". Plus the Timelords having unlimited regenerations during the Time War were talked about (by Eccelson or Tennant I can't remember exactly to Rose). All Chibnall really did was reintroduce previous story points that were largely ignored as inconsistencies by the fandom and make them relevant again (like the Doctor shown having had several regenerations before Hartnell in "The Brain of Morbius").
Reply by VobIdem
on May 6, 2022 at 11:04 AM
Oh, well then by all means point me, and while you're at it every fan of Doctor Who, to this serial where Rassilon imposes a limit on The Doctor's regeneration cycle as you NON-conjectured, because that totally happened on screen for realsies.
BBC fire, eh? Can the Chibnall era be put into that? Asking for a friend.
More like inconsistencies subsequent showrunners never did anything with, while fandom, as far as I can tell, loved to endlessly speculate on internet fora about pre-Hartnell incarnations
Reply by Innovator
on May 6, 2022 at 1:51 PM
I've said it several times, "The Five Doctors". They said that unlike the other Time Lords, Rassilon didn't have a limit to his regenerations. The Time Lord President Barusa plotted to raid Rassilon's tomb where he lay in infinite regeneration to get the key to immortality from him, but Rassilon (played by Richard Matthews) instead turned him into stone. He would have done the same to the Doctor, but the Doctor smartly declined it. Then there was the speech the Doctor gave about how the Time War was causing endless havok as the Daleks and Time Lords kept infinitely killing each other over and over again. I wondered myself how that was possible, until I found out later that the Time Lords had brought Rassilon (Timothy Dalton) back from his sleep in his Tomb to aid in the war. Then I was like...oh yeah, Rassilon could grant infinite regenerations.
You can literally see 8 of the pre-Hartnell incarnations in "The Brain of Morbius". So much for limit.
Reply by bratface
on May 8, 2022 at 4:25 PM
The new Doctor has been named!
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/08/1097488412/ncuti-gatwa-doctor-who