What is "real Star Trek" ?

Problem is everybody has a different definition.

To me it's the TNG crew sitting in the observation lounge discussing stuff. Or.. almost anything Picard is involved.

I like the DSC bridge and the look of everything, but it would have worked much better in the 24th/25th century with a new species instead of Klingons.

That's one of the common issues, basically all the technology things basically go away if they had set it after DS9/Voyager instead of before TOS. But for whatever reason - maybe because it would be easier for them to mention Spock and stuff - they didn't do it right.

Frankly this has more in common with the rebooted Battlestar Galactica than it dose with Star Trek. Star Trek has always been a vehicle for exploring social issues. Other some vague boring crap about the Klingons being White Supremacist. What issues are really being explored. Hell even Voyager had more thought provoking episodes than i have seen from this show so far. Ill give BSG this. It took me 2 season to figured out i didn't care about anybody on that show. This show only took me 4 episodes. Also i think its stupid to set this 20 years before Kirk and Spock. At least Enterprise tired to make it look like it could have been before TOS.

Yes, that's true too. The re-made BG (and it really is BG, unless someone can show me where International Business Machines was ever called INBM, and even in the show BSG stood for Battlestar Ship/Strike Group, and both the Galactica and Pegasus groups had BSG numbers, but it would be silly to claim that BSG Pegasus stood for Battlestar Galactica Pegasus) would have stunk as a "new idea" show too, although claiming it was a "reboot" REALLY stank. Mostly what they did was flip a few genders (and oddly, I never heard any complaints of racism even though they replaced two black characters in the original series with a white guy and an Asian chick) and made basically all the characters psychotic and the ships filthy.

Oh, and spaceships especially space "fighter planes" shooting BULLETS????? Oh, my head.

I watched reboot BG/BSG for a while. I think show lost me when they started to whole stupid mutiny against the president. Eventually i realized that what i really liked about it was the concept. Then i watched the old show. And while it was silly at times. I found them to be more like real people. Most people i know are not A$$holes. It was a ship of people working together the best they could to try and stay alive. The remake BSG should have ended with them killing each other off. Instead of turning into Angles.

Stupidity in a show is probably guaranteed when it becomes about navel-gazing over how humanity "fell" and created the Cylons that would then try to destroy them, the kind of thing that psychology/sociology majors get all gooey about because it's "universal" or something. And making it like the same thing happened over and over throughout human history even if they kept forgetting, etc.

And some people even thought the original series was the same kind of deal, although Apollo says (to Boxy) early on - in the 3-part episode or premiere movie when they get to the casino-planet Carillon - that the Cylons were created by a race of lizard-like aliens. But if that bit gets cut now for showing on channels like Me TV, then maybe a whole generation - or two? - doesn't know The Truth.

I liked it to begin with, but now I've lost the interest in the show - it's dull and bland, the characters are unlikable and two dimensional - and there's no development what so ever. For my sake they could cancel the show tomorrow. What a waste of money and talent.

I'm not sure if there's much talent actually being wasted. But definitely a waste of money.

by Knixon:

I'm not sure if there's much talent actually being wasted. But definitely a waste of money.

I saw the last episode yesterday and I 'm actually warming up to the show .. Starting to empathise with some of the characters.

I have read some complaints which I consider nit pickings .. The odd appearance and costumes of the Klingons , the name Michael for a female ..etc.

There is something that happened in the last episode though that made me think WTH : I'm referring to The Kiss in the engine room

There was talk on the old IMDB board about the kiss alternate Uhura gave Spock in the transporting room in public..like others , I too thought that it was completely out of place and inappropriate ..exactly like the one Stamets gave to his partner.

They were in battle mode and what did he do ?

He took ...time out ...to kiss his partner..fancy if everyone did that..

@Wolf359 : I agree with you about Discovery should have been set in another timeline than TOS. Regardless of what the producers say, to me it has the feel of the Kelvin timeline movies, especially since the Klingons in Discovery remind me of the Klingons in Star Trek Into Darkness. Speaking of which, Captain Lorca reminds me of Admiral Marcus.

@PhelpsFan said:

@Wolf359 : I agree with you about Discovery should have been set in another timeline than TOS. Regardless of what the producers say, to me it has the feel of the Kelvin timeline movies, especially since the Klingons in Discovery remind me of the Klingons in Star Trek Into Darkness. Speaking of which, Captain Lorca reminds me of Admiral Marcus.

I agree, they should've made a sequel and not a prequel. To set it in a time before Capt. Kirk and the Enterprise, is profoundly stupid, because we've seen Star Trek: the Next Generation, Star Trek: Voyager, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, and Star Trek: Enterprise, which was all good,ish, so why make another prequel, instead of a sequel? It doesn't make any sense.

I really tried to like the show to begin with, and I did, but now it's just kinda meeh, and I will not waste anymore time on it.

@Bananaghost There are three big problems with Discovery. One: as you said, the timeline problem. Two: the CBS bait and switch. Three: the way Capt. Gregouris (sorry, I know I'm spelling it wrong) was introduced in the first episode and killed the next. I think that she should have been the permanent Captain, Michelle Yeoh is just that awesome! Back to the subject: the producers screwed up saying there would be "a pilot within a pilot".

What should have happened is that they should have had Michelle listed as part of the regular cast, and not as a Special Guest Star, for the first two episodes. Then, when she dies at the end of the second episode, have Jason Issacs come in as Captain Lorca. And then keep this plot as secret as possible. This would have upped the WTF(?) Effect for the fans and made Discovery better.