This has been mentioned on the other thread, but I wanted to bring attention to this topic in particular, because I want to read other people's opinions and because... hell, there was only one thread! We need more threads, as long as they're not OT. Anyway, I consider Susan Sarandon a great actress, perhaps one of my all time favorites. I was super excited when I found out that both her and Jessica were doing this show. A couple of days ago, I saw the teasers and the trailers and I can't wait to see the first episode. However, I felt a little bit disappointed (for the lack of a better word) with what I could see on Susan's side. Bette Davis had a very distinctive voice and I noticed that Susan sounded nothing like her, and it's not just the voice. Judging from what I have seen so far, it doesn't really look like she's playing Bette Davis in general. My guess is that she actually tried to sound like her, but it probably sounded too weird/tacky, so she simply decided to use her regular voice. I mean, I'm not saying that this is a bad thing and perhaps I'll appreciate the character, but I really wanted to hear something closer to Bette's voice. Also, I don't think they did a very good job with the make up, because, well... she looks too much like Susan Sarandon and nothing like Bette. I think they did a better job with Jessica, who still looks like herself, but they also managed to capture Joan's features, without making it look like a caricature.
In one of the teasers, it seems like Susan is actually trying to make an effort to sound like Bette and, even though it sounds a little bit campy, I actually like it. Here's the link to the teaser:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynjQ94ZODis
By the way, for some reason, I am obsessed with this teaser and the one where we see Bette and Joan walking down a staircase.
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Resposta per AusFem
el 30 l de 2017 a les 10:30 P.M.
I just watched the doco. I have a new respect for Joan Crawford. I didn't know anything about her private life other than from the book Mommy Dearest. I agree that it was made up fiction by a nasty jealous daughter.
Resposta per ScorpionQ2
el 31 l de 2017 a les 1:07 P.M.
I just watched and enjoyed it at Youtube. I had forgotten how beautiful she was in her younger years, just Like Bette Davis was.
"There's a lot of by tch in every woman...and a lot of by tch in every man too." -Joan Crawford
Resposta per ScorpionQ2
el 31 l de 2017 a les 1:10 P.M.
Thanks for that info.
Resposta per Satai Delenn
el 9 , de 2017 a les 11:11 P.M.
POTENTIAL SPOILERS AHEAD IF YOU HAVE NOT FULLY WATCHED THE SERIES!
Thank you. I was starting to wonder if I was the only person here who just ADORES this show! I am RIVETED to the screen every episode, and I'm loving the behind the scenes information. It really helped me see the film differently when I watched the movie recently. In fact, sadly, I had to keep from laughing during the scene when Baby Jane drags Blanche's unconscious body from the bed. All I could think of was the weight belt Joan put on at one point during the filming.
And no, Jessica doesn't look much like Joan. But I'm overlooking that. I think Susan cast as Bette was spot on, though.
Seriously, I've been watching every second of this show and that's a rarity for me.
And judging from what I read in another thread, I think I'm the only person who saw the final look of Joan for the Oscar's night and thought, "My god, she looks gorgeous!" because yes, at first I thought, "OMG! NO!" when the makeup/hair person started dusting her beautiful black hair with that silver dust, but once I saw it completed, and her earrings, and makeup and dress, and nails... She took my breath away. The only thing I didn't like was the orange-red lipstick. But I've always hated that color of lipstick. I hated it on Bette, too.
Resposta per Satai Delenn
el 9 , de 2017 a les 11:20 P.M.
Don't be so quick to judge. I love Joan Crawford, but I have no doubt she was a narcissist and narcissists can be VERY charming and can easily manipulate situations to make others look as though they the wrong ones, while garnering sympathy for themselves.
While not everything in Christina's book may have been true, I've watched Mommie dearest. I believe Christina. Why? My mother is a narcissist, and though she never hit me, she emotionally treated me as bad as Joan treated Christina. She always blamed me for things that were her own fault. She would never take responsibility for anything. It was easier to make me the scape goat. I finally was able to break away from her last year, but I have been severely emotionally scarred by what my mother did to me. I suspect that Joan did similar things to Christina. And she'd lie to people when it suited her so that I looked like a trouble-maker and the one with "problems," while diverting attention away from her so everyone would sympathize with her.
So, don't discount everything Christina said.
Resposta per tmdb17996075
el 10 , de 2017 a les 12:05 A.M.
Sorry to say this, but your mom sounds like a world class bitch. I'm glad you managed to get away.
Resposta per Kathy
el 10 , de 2017 a les 12:20 P.M.
Did anyone notice that Joan's eyebrows have become a lot fuller on Jessica? I guess they introduced them slowly. They should have there own spot in the credits.
Resposta per Satai Delenn
el 12 , de 2017 a les 10:21 P.M.
She is, and thank you. I've got a lot of anger, bitterness, and resentment to work through, and it's probably going to take a very long time, and it's very difficult to deal with, and it's especially difficult when people tell me, "Geeze, just let it go. It's over, be happy," because it's not so easy to let go. I'm happier, yes, but I have a long way to go and a lot of things to work through. I do want to eventually be able to let it go. I don't want to have my anger and bitterness turn me into a victim. But then, that's what long-term therapy is for, lol.
Anyway, my point remains that people shouldn't discount what someone says about something like this because it may in fact be true, even though you may not want to believe it.
Resposta per SkyPowers
el 26 , de 2017 a les 6:56 P.M.
Few know the psychological mental condition of narcissism. It's an actual affliction. Most refer to the colloquial definition of someone who is simply conceited. Narcissism is an awful malady. They rely on manipulation. They come off as wonderful at first until they're found out and then it can turn very very ugly fast. My sympathies.
Resposta per Satai Delenn
el 15 de 2017 a les 12:54 A.M.
Yes, and because of my experiences with a real live narcissist, I was able to recognize it in Joan which is why I've said what I did about what Christina has written/said about Joan. If you're only someone who's experienced the charming side of a narcissist, you're going to think the complaining person who has seen ALL SIDES of said narcissist is lying and ungrateful, etc. I've had to deal with that too. It's very frustrating and when you get someone telling you just how wonderful they think your mother is because she's so generous and CHARMING, all you can do is smile and nod and say, "Thank you," while all you really want to do is scream at the person to open their eyes and see your mother for who she REALLY is.
And yes, I know it's a psychological, mental condition. The problem is, the narcissist doesn't think there's anything wrong with them. Hence why they ALWAYS blame someone else for their own problems. They refuse to take responsibility for their own actions because they think they're perfect. So if something goes wrong, they blame whomever is closest to them in their life because no way could it POSSIBLY have been something THEY themselves did to cause fault. And you can't tell them that they're a narcissist and need help and should see a therapist because they'll just scoff at you and think you're the crazy one for thinking that there's something wrong with them because they just know better.
Resposta per GerardKennelly
el 17 " de 2017 a les 2:51 A.M.
https://twitter.com/GerardKennelly/status/751927835183484928