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Connelly singing
posted by movie_naziSTAFFMOD on August 31, 2021 at 11:45 AM
So I watched this for the first time since it was released in the theaters. I got a copy of the director's cut. Were the scenes of Connelly singing cut from the theatrical version? Because I do not remember that scene and I think I would have remembered her terrible singing.
Dark City (1998) - 7 outta 10 stars
Reply by tmdb53400018
on February 24, 2022 at 11:08 AM
Call me what you like.
When the other guy referred to you, he called you "Naz," with a capital N. I repeat: with a capital N. This is different from what you're describing - it is a shortened version of the word Nazi, and that casual usage in writing is making light of Nazism and the Holocaust, in my book.
In the US' current social environment where we have seen a huge increase in anti-Semitic incidents and assaults, I feel that we need to be diligent about watching for subtle shifts in people's thinking in this direction. One factor that can have an impact on people's thinking is the subtle, manipulative use of language to justify the mistreatment of people, be they of vulnerable groups or not.
One way in which language can be used to do this is by using the word Nazi, or variants of it, subtly in order to minimize the severity and impact of the Holocaust. I'm not saying you can't call yourself a Movie Nazi, but I am keeping your name in its context.
It's a creeping phenomenon that I'm not gonna let slip by. Sorry, not sorry.
And you're smug, presumptuous, and dare I say it, duplicitous with language. But who's taking notes?
Reply by tmdb53400018
on February 24, 2022 at 4:33 PM
Hey… I don’t really care if you guys agree with me or not. I just wanted to make those points here, on the message board, where they can be seen. To make my opposition known.
Reply by Tsavo
on February 24, 2022 at 6:04 PM
By hijacking a conversation about something entirely different in order to make it about your feelings.
Let me ask you this: Have you ever stood in a mass grave?
Reply by tmdb53400018
on February 24, 2022 at 6:13 PM
No Mr or Ms. Tsavo, I have not.
Reply by Tsavo
on February 24, 2022 at 7:17 PM
It's Mr, thanks.
There is no effective way to describe what it feels like to stand in one. To see first hand the all too human brutality inflicted upon those who could not effectively defend themselves.
I have studied genocides all over the world for almost twenty years. I have confronted those advocating for, and committing genocide.
It is a very important subject to me. On a fundamental level, I appreciate your concern that the holocaust be taken seriously. Genocide should be taken seriously, and while there certainly are holocaust deniers out there, the overwhelming majority of people aren't.
Nazis however, have become a part of popular culture, and featured in everything from serious dramas, to adventure stories, to outright comedies starting less than ten years after the war ended. The word "Nazi" has since taken on alternative meanings and uses, both serious in intent, but also sarcastic, or playful. It's been that way for generations at this point, and at no time did the global population stop taking the holocaust seriously.
You can think of it similar to the swastika. A symbol the Nazis appropriated from Indian religion. They gave it new, and in that case terrible meaning. However, that in no way affects the original meaning, which is still recognized and respected all over the world.
In that way, cultures all over the world took the Nazis and gave them various meanings, most, if not all of the time still with negative meaning, but not as serious as the group from which they were taken. However, who the Nazis are, and what they did is still taken seriously, and stories of the horrors they committed are still told today.
Movie Nazi is using one of those more playful parts of popular culture, and, I suspect (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong Movie Nazi), using it in a sarcastic, or playfully self depricating way, in the same way I have been accused of being a grammar nazi. It doesn't mean that any of us fail to take the holocaust seriously. It only means that we're looking at the joke in context, and finding it harmless. I highly doubt that ANYBODY is going to look at his username and take away that being a literal neo-nazi is a good thing.
We need to go back to being more tolerant of each other. Intolerance is precisely what leads to the very thing you are worried about. Trust me, I know it very well. I'm not attempting to come off as patronizing or egotistical here, so I hope you don't interpret it that way, but if we're going to make the world a better place again, we need to stop antagonizing each other like this.
Reply by tmdb53400018
on February 25, 2022 at 2:49 AM
I'm not gonna argue with you about this... no, sir. I want to say that the question you led with about mass graves comes off very I've-experienced-something-you-haven't, and that's IMO a poor way to argue. It is elitism.
BTW, I'm not the only one here who's said it can be a good thing to change a thread's direction from the original idea.
Reply by Tsavo
on February 25, 2022 at 2:52 AM
Well, I was attempting to shift course to a more civil discussion, but if you insist on interpreting it that way, then that's on you.
Changing the course of a previous discussion? Sure. Doing so to make it about you, however, is childish and unproductive.
Reply by tmdb53400018
on February 25, 2022 at 2:55 AM
More civil? I don't know what you mean by that.
I hate to put you on the spot, but you have told another lie. I didn't make the thread about ME.
Reply by Tsavo
on February 25, 2022 at 3:08 AM
I meant communication without antagonizing each other, and I have told no lies. You made the thread about how you were offended by something. You tried to tie it into the holocaust, but really, it was all about your feelings.
Reply by movie_nazi
on February 25, 2022 at 9:45 AM
You are correct Tsavo. It is exactly used in a self-deprecating manner and the name came about from discussion with friends about films and how I was so over critical of them. I was often referred to in my circle of friends as a "movie nazi" . I thought this was obvious but every once in a while I run into someone wanting to display their historical awareness on blast, for what reason I can only speculate. I appreciate your thorough and calm explanation.
Reply by movie_nazi
on February 25, 2022 at 9:48 AM
I wonder if they hear it like we hear Yoko Ono's attempt at singing. 😁
Reply by Tsavo
on February 25, 2022 at 9:56 AM
Hard to say.
Reply by Tsavo
on February 25, 2022 at 5:25 PM
I'll have to track it down! Though I just finished a night getting really drunk in Beppu. Perhaps after I've had time to recover!
Reply by tmdb53400018
on February 25, 2022 at 6:26 PM
To borrow a phrase from a legendary filmmaker: "Deeds, not words."
Reply by Tsavo
on February 26, 2022 at 6:09 AM
A phrase that I recommend you spend a lot more time considering.